River Song and the Timeless Child are in contraction!

[The Doctor]

River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

The Timeless Child is contradicted!

[Blueshirt]

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be the
other way around, if anything.

So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on with
an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child contradicts
River Song's ability to regenerate.

But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor doesn't
exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be the
other way around, if anything.
So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on with
an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child contradicts
River Song's ability to regenerate.
But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor doesn't
exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

The real 13th Doctor looks like the 10th Doctor.

Logical and consitent to the thread.

[Blueshirt]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be the
other way around, if anything.
So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on
with an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child
contradicts River Song's ability to regenerate.
But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor
doesn't exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

The real 13th Doctor looks like the 10th Doctor.
Logical and consitent to the thread.

That is neither logical or consistent.

You infamously do neither in most of your posts here which is why you are
known as the group clown!

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be the
other way around, if anything.
So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on
with an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child
contradicts River Song's ability to regenerate.
But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor
doesn't exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

The real 13th Doctor looks like the 10th Doctor.
Logical and consitent to the thread.

That is neither logical or consistent.
You infamously do neither in most of your posts here which is why you are
known as the group clown!

Said the zany clown BS.

So then how did River Song get her regnerative powers?

[Blueshirt]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be
the other way around, if anything.
So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on
with an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child
contradicts River Song's ability to regenerate.
But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor
doesn't exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

The real 13th Doctor looks like the 10th Doctor.
Logical and consitent to the thread.

That is neither logical or consistent.
You infamously do neither in most of your posts here which is why you
are known as the group clown!

Said the zany clown BS.

What a comeback! That's really told me. It's completely irrelevant to
what I posted though of course.

Post by The Doctor
So then how did River Song get her regnerative powers?

Did you watch the episodes? If you did, you'd know. Why ask questions of
others when you answer none yourself.

My point was, an earlier event generally can't contradict latter events.
As the latter event hasn't happened when the earlier even occurs. What
comes later can contradict - and maybe override - the earlier happening.
So the Timeless Child era is the latest era of Doctor Who that we have,
and stands de facto as current until forthcoming events overwrite parts
of that era. That is how Doctor Who has worked since 1963.

You are just on you anti-Timeless child crusade while the rest of us
we've moved on and are looking forward to the new episodes. You being you
are just looking back and spouting gibberish that nobody cares about.

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

How can an earlier event contradict a latter event? It has to be
the other way around, if anything.
So IF there was a contradiction, and it's not just you rambling on
with an agenda, then it would be more like the Timeless Child
contradicts River Song's ability to regenerate.
But why do you care anyway? You like to pretend the 13th Doctor
doesn't exist. So either she exists or she doesn't!

The real 13th Doctor looks like the 10th Doctor.
Logical and consitent to the thread.

That is neither logical or consistent.
You infamously do neither in most of your posts here which is why you
are known as the group clown!

Said the zany clown BS.

What a comeback! That's really told me. It's completely irrelevant to
what I posted though of course.

Post by The Doctor
So then how did River Song get her regnerative powers?

Did you watch the episodes? If you did, you'd know. Why ask questions of
others when you answer none yourself.
My point was, an earlier event generally can't contradict latter events.
As the latter event hasn't happened when the earlier even occurs. What
comes later can contradict - and maybe override - the earlier happening.
So the Timeless Child era is the latest era of Doctor Who that we have,
and stands de facto as current until forthcoming events overwrite parts
of that era. That is how Doctor Who has worked since 1963.
You are just on you anti-Timeless child crusade while the rest of us
we've moved on and are looking forward to the new episodes. You being you
are just looking back and spouting gibberish that nobody cares about.

Because The Timeless Child is anti-DoctorWho!

River Song contradicts the Timeless Child!

[Blueshirt]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
You are just on you anti-Timeless child crusade while the rest of us
have moved on and are looking forward to the new episodes. You being
you are just looking back and spouting gibberish that nobody cares
about.

Because The Timeless Child is anti-DoctorWho!
River Song contradicts the Timeless Child!

<Face palm>

You really are one stupid and ignorant man.

[The Doctor]

Post by Blueshirt

Post by The Doctor

Post by Blueshirt
You are just on you anti-Timeless child crusade while the rest of us
have moved on and are looking forward to the new episodes. You being
you are just looking back and spouting gibberish that nobody cares
about.

Because The Timeless Child is anti-DoctorWho!
River Song contradicts the Timeless Child!

<Face palm>
You really are one stupid and ignorant man.

Did you break the mirror this morning BS?

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.

The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.

DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[…]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[…]
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?

It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

Post by The Doctor
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit vague. It’s
hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they became. It
could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.

It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all, doesn’t
contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

[The Doctor]

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.
The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.
DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[
]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[
]
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?
It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

Post by The Doctor
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit vague. It’s
hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they became. It
could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.
It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all, doesn’t
contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

You contradictir yourself MM!

Post by The Last Doctor
--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.
The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.
DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[…]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[…]
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?
It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

Post by The Doctor
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit vague. It’s
hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they became. It
could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.
It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all, doesn’t
contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

You contradictir yourself MM!

I don’t even contradict myself, let alone “contradictir” myself.

Vastra spots Time Lord DNA in records of the baby. She then floats a theory
that River was conceived on the TARDIS and that this somehow gives
Kovarian’s faction of the Church of the Silence “one hell of a start” on
“cooking a Time Lord”. And that’s all it actually claims. There’s no
definitive explanation of how River becomes a Time Lord there. So it can’t
contradict anything or be contradicted by anything. There’s no testable
theory, nothing falsifiable.

The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.

Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.

The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.

The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.

You keep making this assertion. But you never lay out what you consider the
contradiction to be.

[The Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.
The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.
DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[
]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[
]
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?
It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

Post by The Doctor
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit vague. It’s
hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they became. It
could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.
It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all, doesn’t
contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

You contradictir yourself MM!

I don’t even contradict myself, let alone “contradictir” myself.
Vastra spots Time Lord DNA in records of the baby. She then floats a theory
that River was conceived on the TARDIS and that this somehow gives
Kovarian’s faction of the Church of the Silence “one hell of a start” on
“cooking a Time Lord”. And that’s all it actually claims. There’s no
definitive explanation of how River becomes a Time Lord there. So it can’t
contradict anything or be contradicted by anything. There’s no testable
theory, nothing falsifiable.
The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.
The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.
You keep making this assertion. But you never lay out what you consider the
contradiction to be.

The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.
The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.
DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[…]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[…]
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?
It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

Post by The Doctor
The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit vague. It’s
hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they became. It
could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.
It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all, doesn’t
contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

You contradictir yourself MM!

I don’t even contradict myself, let alone “contradictir” myself.
Vastra spots Time Lord DNA in records of the baby. She then floats a theory
that River was conceived on the TARDIS and that this somehow gives
Kovarian’s faction of the Church of the Silence “one hell of a start” on
“cooking a Time Lord”. And that’s all it actually claims. There’s no
definitive explanation of how River becomes a Time Lord there. So it can’t
contradict anything or be contradicted by anything. There’s no testable
theory, nothing falsifiable.
The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.
The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.
You keep making this assertion. But you never lay out what you consider the
contradiction to be.

The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

[The Doctor]

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River Song's ability to regenerate is due to her being exposed
to the time atoms of the TARDIS.

Not proven.
The only evidence supporting this theory is a few moments of pure
speculation between Vastra, Dorium Maldovar and the Doctor in “A Good Man
Goes to War”. And it’s not even the Doctor’s speculation.
DOCTOR: You've hacked into their software, then?
DORIUM: I believe I sold it to them.
DOCTOR: Ooo. So what have we learned?
[..]
VASTRA: Now, I have a question. A simple one. Is Melody human?
DOCTOR: Sorry, what? Of course she is. Completely human. What are you
talking about?
DORIUM: They've been scanning her since she was born, and I think they
found what they were looking for.
DOCTOR: Human DNA.
VASTRA: Look closer. Human plus. Specifically, human plus Time Lord.
[
]
DOCTOR: But she's human. She's Amy and Rory's daughter.
VASTRA: You've told me about your people. They became what they did through
prolonged exposure to the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.
DOCTOR: Over billions of years. It didn't just happen.
VASTRA: So how close is she? Could she even regenerate?
DOCTOR: No, no. I don't think so.
VASTRA: You don't sound so sure.
DOCTOR: Because I don't understand how this happened.
VASTRA: Which leads me to ask when did it happen?
DOCTOR: When?
VASTRA: I am trying to be delicate. I know how you can blush. When did this
baby begin?
DOCTOR: Oh, you mean
VASTRA: Quite.
DOCTOR: Well, how would I know? That's all human-y, private stuff. It just
sort of goes on. They don't put up a balloon, or anything.
VASTRA: But could the child have begun on the Tardis in flight, in the
vortex.
DOCTOR: No! No! Impossible! It's all running about, sexy fish vampires and
blowing up stuff. And Rory wasn't even there at the beginning. Then he was
dead, then he didn't exist, then he was plastic. Then I had to reboot the
whole universe. Long story. So, technically the first time they were on the
Tardis together in this version of reality, was on their w
VASTRA: On their what?
DOCTOR: On their wedding night.
[
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DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've
been working very hard ever since.
DORIUM: And yet they gave in so easily. Does this not that bother anyone
else?
DOCTOR: Amy. She worried the baby would have a time head. She said that
VASTRA: Only you would ignore the instincts of a mother.
DORIUM: Or the instincts of a coward. This is too easy. There's something
wrong.
DOCTOR: Why even do it? Even if you could get your hands on a brand new
Time Lord, what for?
It’s equally possible that Madam Kovarian obtained Time Lord DNA from
elsewhere and manipulated Melody Pond in infancy, for example.

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The Timeless Child is contradicted!

No, if what is said in AGMGTW is correct, River Song contradicts the
previous canon. Cartmel master plan aside (not canon!) all Time Lords are
Gallifreyan. And “They became what they did through prolonged exposure to
the time vortex. The Untempered Schism.” is actually - a bit

vague. It’s

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hearsay evidence from someone who is notoriously an unreliable narrator and
was a poor student, and it doesn’t even specify “what” they

became. It

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could just refer to their arrogance and ability to detect changes in the
time stream, to recognise fixed points in time and affect the course of
reality.
It doesn’t alter the bloody stupid Timeless Child legend at all,

doesn’t

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contradict it, and the Timeless Child doesn’t contradict this story. This
story may not even be TRUE.

You contradictir yourself MM!

I don’t even contradict myself, let alone “contradictir” myself.
Vastra spots Time Lord DNA in records of the baby. She then floats a theory
that River was conceived on the TARDIS and that this somehow gives
Kovarian’s faction of the Church of the Silence “one hell of a

start” on

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“cooking a Time Lord”. And that’s all it actually claims. There’s no
definitive explanation of how River becomes a Time Lord there. So it can’t
contradict anything or be contradicted by anything. There’s no testable
theory, nothing falsifiable.
The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.
The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.
You keep making this assertion. But you never lay out what you consider the
contradiction to be.

The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

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--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.

Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?

Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?

Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them into contact
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.

Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.

Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.

The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

[%]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them into contact
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

[The Doctor]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

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with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

[The Last Doctor]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a ganger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

[The Doctor]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a ganger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole

universe are the

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Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising

aliens might

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still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know.

And nor do

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you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

Sorry but your boomerang is heading back towards you MM!

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--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

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The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

Sorry but your boomerang is heading back towards you MM!

There you go Dave, clearly you do have an imagination, and a very vivid if
weird one.

I said “All you need is an imagination” (in order to come up with head
canon for an event). I in no way implied its absence.

Then the troll known as “%” (an entity whose posts are 100% trolls- they
post nothing else) suggests that I should lend you MY imagination. That
implies that you don’t have one of your own. In my book that’s a trolling
insult aimed at you.

Then you “high 5” the insult you were awarded. Do you get it yet Dave? You
were trolled and insulted by the troll “%”, and you accepted and applauded
it.

Where’s the boomerang?

[The Doctor]

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The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

Sorry but your boomerang is heading back towards you MM!

There you go Dave, clearly you do have an imagination, and a very vivid if
weird one.
I said “All you need is an imagination” (in order to come up with head
canon for an event). I in no way implied its absence.
Then the troll known as “%” (an entity whose posts are 100% trolls- they
post nothing else) suggests that I should lend you MY imagination. That
implies that you don’t have one of your own. In my book that’s a trolling
insult aimed at you.
Then you “high 5” the insult you were awarded. Do you get it yet Dave? You
were trolled and insulted by the troll “%”, and you accepted and applauded
it.
Where’s the boomerang?

The fact the you model is full of gaps.

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--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

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The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

Sorry but your boomerang is heading back towards you MM!

There you go Dave, clearly you do have an imagination, and a very vivid if
weird one.
I said “All you need is an imagination” (in order to come up with head
canon for an event). I in no way implied its absence.
Then the troll known as “%” (an entity whose posts are 100% trolls- they
post nothing else) suggests that I should lend you MY imagination. That
implies that you don’t have one of your own. In my book that’s a trolling
insult aimed at you.
Then you “high 5” the insult you were awarded. Do you get it yet Dave? You
were trolled and insulted by the troll “%”, and you accepted and applauded
it.
Where’s the boomerang?

The fact the you model is full of gaps.

What model? What holes? Liar.

% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you can’t see
most of the brickbats aimed your way.

You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

[The Doctor]

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The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

let him use yours

high 5 % !

That’s right Dave, applaud the troll for insulting you. After all, if you
had an imagination of your own, you wouldn’t NEED mine.

Sorry but your boomerang is heading back towards you MM!

There you go Dave, clearly you do have an imagination, and a very vivid if
weird one.
I said “All you need is an imagination” (in order to come up with head
canon for an event). I in no way implied its absence.
Then the troll known as “%” (an entity whose posts are 100% trolls- they
post nothing else) suggests that I should lend you MY imagination. That
implies that you don’t have one of your own. In my book that’s a trolling
insult aimed at you.
Then you “high 5” the insult you were awarded. Do you get it yet

Dave? You

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were trolled and insulted by the troll “%”, and you accepted and

applauded

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it.
Where’s the boomerang?

The fact the you model is full of gaps.

What model? What holes? Liar.
% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you can’t see
most of the brickbats aimed your way.
You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

Oh! You are pro-timeless child.

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--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

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% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you can’t see
most of the brickbats aimed your way.
You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

Oh! You are pro-timeless child.

Not only a meaningless “attack”, but also factually incorrect. I’m going to
quote myself from further up this thread.

“The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.

Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.

The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.

The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.”

Read the above carefully. “The bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.” “More
of a stain than a mark [on the the history of the show]”. “The idea was
poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like much of
Chibnall’s whole era.”

That’s “pro-timeless child”, is it?

Idiot.

[The Doctor]

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% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you can’t see
most of the brickbats aimed your way.
You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

Oh! You are pro-timeless child.

Not only a meaningless “attack”, but also factually incorrect. I’m
going to
quote myself from further up this thread.
“The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.

Stain is correct!

The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.”

Rather contradictory.

Read the above carefully. “The bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.” “More
of a stain than a mark [on the the history of the show]”. “The idea was
poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like much of
Chibnall’s whole era.”
That’s “pro-timeless child”, is it?
Idiot.

Good, so totally renounce the Chibnall Era as a whole!

--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you can’t see
most of the brickbats aimed your way.
You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

Oh! You are pro-timeless child.

Not only a meaningless “attack”, but also factually incorrect. I’m going to
quote myself from further up this thread.
“The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.

Stain is correct!

Post by The Last Doctor
The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.”

Rather contradictory.

Nope. Not one tiny bit. We’ve been over this in great detail and you’re
just factually wrong about everything you’ve actually called a
contradiction.

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Post by The Last Doctor
Read the above carefully. “The bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.” “More
of a stain than a mark [on the the history of the show]”. “The idea was
poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like much of
Chibnall’s whole era.”
That’s “pro-timeless child”, is it?
Idiot.

Good, so totally renounce the Chibnall Era as a whole!

No. The show has suffered worse (seasons 24 and 25 particularly) and
survived. And Timeless Child aside, the 13th Doctor’s tenure was very much
a curate’s egg: excellent in parts. Jodie was a good Doctor poorly served
by the show at times. Much as her predecessor was.

[The Doctor]

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
% insulted you by suggesting that you needed to borrow my imagination. You
applauded being insulted. I’m sorry you’re so stupid that you

can’t see

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
most of the brickbats aimed your way.
You keep on supporting trolls and lunatics and attacking any actual Doctor
Who fans who happen to be on the newsgroup.

Oh! You are pro-timeless child.

Not only a meaningless “attack”, but also factually incorrect. I’m
going to
quote myself from further up this thread.
“The show sometimes contradicts itself. Not, however, in the case of the
bloody stupid Timeless Child legend.
Chibnall wanted to leave his own personal mark on the history of the show.
Not satisfied with having the first female Doctor, he added in a mysterious
previous black Doctor, and a whole new indefinitely long series of lives
for the Doctor tying together hints that this might be the case from
earlier stories and plans for the show.
The outcome was more of a stain than a mark, but it was carefully crafted
to NOT positively contradict anything, if you suspend disbelief enough to
swallow its requirements.

Stain is correct!

The idea was poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like
much of Chibnall’s whole era. But not contradictory.”

Rather contradictory.

Nope. Not one tiny bit. We’ve been over this in great detail and you’re
just factually wrong about everything you’ve actually called a
contradiction.

Post by The Doctor

Read the above carefully. “The bloody stupid Timeless Child

legend.” “More

Post by The Doctor

of a stain than a mark [on the the history of the show]”. “The idea was
poor and its execution scrappy and somewhat incoherent, like much of
Chibnall’s whole era.”
That’s “pro-timeless child”, is it?
Idiot.

Good, so totally renounce the Chibnall Era as a whole!

No. The show has suffered worse (seasons 24 and 25 particularly) and
survived. And Timeless Child aside, the 13th Doctor’s tenure was very much
a curate’s egg: excellent in parts. Jodie was a good Doctor poorly served
by the show at times. Much as her predecessor was.

The Whole Timeless Child Era was a wreckball ball distaster!

Post by The Last Doctor
--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Doctor]

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them into contact
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

Post by The Last Doctor
--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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Post by The Last Doctor
So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them into contact
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

Post by The Doctor
Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body, that time
when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

[The Doctor]

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Post by The Last Doctor

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

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Post by The Last Doctor
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

Post by The Doctor
Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body, that time
when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

So where would bet the DNA from?

Post by The Last Doctor
--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor
The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability. (Otherwise their
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole universe are the
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising aliens might
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know. And nor do
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

Post by The Doctor
Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body, that time
when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

So where would bet the DNA from?

You clearly know nothing about DNA. You also know nothing about forensics.

Even today, on Earth, DNA evidence can be collected from blood, hair, skin
cells, and other bodily substances. It can even be used to solve old crimes
that occurred prior to the development of DNA-testing technology. It’s that
resilient and that easy to obtain.

So where would one get the Doctor’s DNA from? Anywhere that they’ve left a
hair. Anywhere they have bled a drop of blood. Anywhere they have slept. On
any clothes or objects they have worn or touched. On any dressings from
wounds they have suffered. In any hospital they were treated in.

It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in criminal
cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.

Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

[The Doctor]

Post by The Last Doctor

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Post by The Doctor

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Post by The Doctor
The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability.

(Otherwise their

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole

universe are the

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising

aliens might

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know.

And nor do

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

Post by The Doctor
Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body, that time
when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

So where would bet the DNA from?

You clearly know nothing about DNA. You also know nothing about forensics.
Even today, on Earth, DNA evidence can be collected from blood, hair, skin
cells, and other bodily substances. It can even be used to solve old crimes
that occurred prior to the development of DNA-testing technology. It’s that
resilient and that easy to obtain.
So where would one get the Doctor’s DNA from? Anywhere that they’ve left a
hair. Anywhere they have bled a drop of blood. Anywhere they have slept. On
any clothes or objects they have worn or touched. On any dressings from
wounds they have suffered. In any hospital they were treated in.
It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in criminal
cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.
Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

But no Gallifreyan sample for Kervokian!

Post by The Last Doctor
--
To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[The Last Doctor]

Post by The Doctor

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Post by The Doctor
The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability.

(Otherwise their

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time capability?
Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified point in Time.
That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole

universe are the

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of, that still
leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain some Time
Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising

aliens might

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any object, for
an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know.

And nor do

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor

Post by The Doctor

Post by The Last Doctor
you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song steals some
DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

Post by The Doctor
Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body, that time
when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

So where would bet the DNA from?

You clearly know nothing about DNA. You also know nothing about forensics.
Even today, on Earth, DNA evidence can be collected from blood, hair, skin
cells, and other bodily substances. It can even be used to solve old crimes
that occurred prior to the development of DNA-testing technology. It’s that
resilient and that easy to obtain.
So where would one get the Doctor’s DNA from? Anywhere that they’ve left a
hair. Anywhere they have bled a drop of blood. Anywhere they have slept. On
any clothes or objects they have worn or touched. On any dressings from
wounds they have suffered. In any hospital they were treated in.
It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in criminal
cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.
Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

But no Gallifreyan sample for Kervokian!

Kervorkian? The assisted suicide Doctor? What does he have to do with this?

You’re being deliberately obtuse Dave. The Doctor’s DNA can be found on the
Doctor, on the Doctor’s severed hand, and just about everywhere and
everywhen the Doctor has ever been. Given time and space travel capability,
anyone (including Madam Kovarian and her faction of the Church of the
Silence) could trivially obtain a sample. A Silence could actually walk up
to the Doctor and just take a skin sample: and when the Doctor turned away,
there would just be an unexplained graze as evidence.

Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show the world how stupid
you really are. Again.

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The contradiction being that KErvokian cannot obtain TimeLord DNA!

You’re just making blind assertions now. I don’t know about this
“KErvokian” you’ve just invented, but the Kovarian faction of the
Church of
the Silence clearly has cross time and space capability.

(Otherwise their

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ganger-remote Amy couldn’t function). And their whole purpose is an
obsession with the Doctor.

How?

How? They captured his pregnant companion, replaced her with a hanger
replica, stole and manipulated and brainwashed her baby to weaponise the
baby against the Doctor. That’s how their purpose appears to be an
obsession with the Doctor.
Or do you mean how do we know that they have a cross space-time

capability?

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Their ganger Amy was stable in the TARDIS. It was maintained, in complete
contact with the consciousness of the real Amy, from 20th century America
to a 17th Century pirate ship, beyond space and time to a pocket universe
where an asteroid called House had lured and killed many Time Lords, to
22nd century England, and on to Demons Run at an unspecified

point in Time.

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That’s how we know they had a cross space-time capability.

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So. Even if the only sources of Time Lord DNA in the whole

universe are the

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Doctor and the Master, in the incarnations they are aware of,

that still

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leaves thousands of years of limitless opportunities to obtain

some Time

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Lord DNA, for a group of cunning scientists with a Doctor fetish.

Still how?

How do they get the Doctor’s DNA?
Well, let’s consider one easy way that doesn’t even bring them

into contact

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with the Doctor. After the events of The Christmas Invasion, there is a
large chunk of Tjme Lord DNA just lying around on London’s streets,
radiating artron and regeneration energy, and being very tempting, till
Jack Harkness finds it, puts it in a jar and takes it back to Cardiff.
Where, although it’s under the care of Torchwood, enterprising

aliens might

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still be able to sneak in and sample a bit.
Or, you know, the Doctor handles and touches thousands of objects during
his lives. Just how much tissue is enough to transfer onto any

object, for

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an alien to be able to cultivate and work with it? I don’t know.

And nor do

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you. Perhaps a single complete cell nucleus is enough.
Or - oh yes. In best bootstrap paradox style, maybe River Song

steals some

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DNA from the Doctor under a subconscious compulsion and passes it to the
Church of the Silence. And then that DNA is used to create River Song.
The possibilities are endless, Dave. All you need is an imagination.

But the limitations still exist.

So?

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Only 1 Timelord out there at the time.

You are suffering from linear thinking. In order to obtain a sample of Time
Lord DNA you only need living cell nuclei from one Time Lord (and there are
at least 2, then after Gallifrey returns, all of them). And you have all of
time and space along those Time Lords’ personal timelines. Even if
timelines prior to the Time War are excluded, that’s a lot of potential
places. What if they steal it from the unconscious Doctor’s body,

that time

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when he was captured by the werewolf Cybermen at the bidding of the Ogron
Emperor of the Galaxy (who was himself a mere pawn of the Mistress of
Time)? You know, the classic 47th Doctor epic story?

So where would bet the DNA from?

You clearly know nothing about DNA. You also know nothing about forensics.
Even today, on Earth, DNA evidence can be collected from blood, hair, skin
cells, and other bodily substances. It can even be used to solve old crimes
that occurred prior to the development of DNA-testing technology. It’s that
resilient and that easy to obtain.
So where would one get the Doctor’s DNA from? Anywhere that

they’ve left a

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hair. Anywhere they have bled a drop of blood. Anywhere they have slept. On
any clothes or objects they have worn or touched. On any dressings from
wounds they have suffered. In any hospital they were treated in.
It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in criminal
cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.
Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

But no Gallifreyan sample for Kervokian!

Kervorkian? The assisted suicide Doctor? What does he have to do with this?
You’re being deliberately obtuse Dave. The Doctor’s DNA can be found on the
Doctor, on the Doctor’s severed hand, and just about everywhere and
everywhen the Doctor has ever been. Given time and space travel capability,
anyone (including Madam Kovarian and her faction of the Church of the
Silence) could trivially obtain a sample. A Silence could actually walk up
to the Doctor and just take a skin sample: and when the Doctor turned away,
there would just be an unexplained graze as evidence.
Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show the world how stupid
you really are. Again.

Sounds close.

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To stay young,
To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[solar penguin]

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Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show
the world how stupid you really are. Again.

Sounds close.

Do they also open?

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Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show
the world how stupid you really are. Again.

Sounds close.

Do they also open?

Cut-and-lie Idlehands-mouth Solar Penguin in action.

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solar penguin

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It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in criminal
cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.
Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

But no Gallifreyan sample for Kervokian!

Kervorkian? The assisted suicide Doctor? What does he have to do with this?
You’re being deliberately obtuse Dave. The Doctor’s DNA can be found on the
Doctor, on the Doctor’s severed hand, and just about everywhere and
everywhen the Doctor has ever been. Given time and space travel capability,
anyone (including Madam Kovarian and her faction of the Church of the
Silence) could trivially obtain a sample. A Silence could actually walk up
to the Doctor and just take a skin sample: and when the Doctor turned away,
there would just be an unexplained graze as evidence.
Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show the world how stupid
you really are. Again.

Sounds close.

QED.

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It’s really very easy to obtain DNA, and very hard not to leave any lying
around. That’s why it’s used so often in evidence these days in

criminal

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cases to prove that a specific person was somewhere they claim they were
not, or performed an act they deny.
Just imagine how much easier it might be with future tech, and the ability
to visit anywhere in time and space that the target or their DNA (thinking
about the Hand again) has ever been.

But no Gallifreyan sample for Kervokian!

Kervorkian? The assisted suicide Doctor? What does he have to do with this?
You’re being deliberately obtuse Dave. The Doctor’s DNA can be

found on the

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Doctor, on the Doctor’s severed hand, and just about everywhere and
everywhen the Doctor has ever been. Given time and space travel capability,
anyone (including Madam Kovarian and her faction of the Church of the
Silence) could trivially obtain a sample. A Silence could actually walk up
to the Doctor and just take a skin sample: and when the Doctor turned away,
there would just be an unexplained graze as evidence.
Go ahead. Respond with an absurd non sequitur. Show the world how stupid
you really are. Again.

Sounds close.

QED.

And there you go!

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To save the world,
Break the mirror.
Nanao Sakaki

[Blueshirt]

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So where would bet the DNA from?

You clearly know nothing about DNA. You also know nothing about forensics.

Are you surprised? DNA is science. Science is "Bogus!"